ROTTWEILER VERSUS BELGIAN MALINOIS PROTECTION TRAINING


(light music) – [Narrator] Dogumentary TV, producing the best breed
documentaries on YouTube. (dog barks) (hip hop music) – My name is Oscar, I am the owner of Elevated
Canine and lead trainer. (hip hop music) Currently at Elevated Canine, we’re working with Guapo. He’s a IPO three Belgian malinois, that was read by Stephanie
O’Brien at Loucyn Malinois. She pretty much hand
picked this puppy for me, and it was a perfect
match from the get go, we recently competed at a national event, and we did pretty good. We missed the the world team by a couple of points, so I’m
very happy with him so far. The other dog that we’re
working with is a Luca, and I got Luca at a year old. He was a kind, he was
brought over from France. His father is a French Ring three, and his grandfather is French Ring three, which is not very common
in the rottweiler breed, because that sport
requires a lot of agility, and I got him at a year old. He was in a situation where
the family couldn’t keep him anymore, and he ended up you
know being placed with me. I had him for a year, I
put all the foundation, you know a lot of the work for IPO, and then when my partner, Christian, who works for the Elevated
Canine came along, I decided to pass Luca on to him, so I could do the
protection work on the dog, and he can do the handle work. So he’s doing pretty good, and he’s on on his way to trial right now. Luca is a pretty small
dog out for a rottweiler. He’s around 75 pounds, all lean muscle, but his father is a French Ring three, his grandfather is a French Ring three, and if anybody knows about that sport, it requires a lot of endurance, and the dog has to be very agile, so it would be hard for
a 115 pound rottweiler to climb the the wall, the palisade wall. The Belgian malinois started
as a general farm dog. Initially, the rottweiler was a drover dog that was used to drive the
cattle out to the market, and typically on the way back, they would put the money on the dog’s neck to guard the money on the way home. In my opinion the Belgian
malinois is a very smart breed. They pick things up very fast, and they like to figure
things out on their own. I mean compared to other breeds, I think they’re probably
one of the smarter breeds. The rottweiler while it’s very smart, I think they’re also very stubborn, which doesn’t help, that doesn’t help us when we’re training. They kinda like to,
they’re little hard headed. In my experience, if we add
too much compulsion too soon, they don’t work well. A compulsion means like
pressure based training, they’re very handler
sensitive to a certain point, and if you tend to put too
much pressure too soon, they just shut down. If you really build them
and really teach them, they’re actually very good dogs. From what I learned with Luca is that, and with other client dogs that we’ve had, is that we definitely have
to use a lot more motivation which is food or toys
or those sort of things. Guapo and Icon which are my two malinois, when they’re not working, they’re actually two different dogs, and I think it has a
lot to do with the way that I’ve been raising them. With Guapo, everything
was always go go go, I was building a ton of drive, and with Icon, it was a little
more letting him settle down, so since the beginning I’ve back tied him, and let him hung out and just chill, while other dogs are working, which is way different than Guapo, so that the two malinois that I have, they’re very different. Guapo does not do well,
just kinda hanging out, he doesn’t settle as fast as Icon does. (hip hop music) The rottweiler, Luca, the
time that I’ve had him, I had him for a year, and he is a dog that can chill, so when he’s not in
work, he’s in chill mode. He’s good with with the
kids, good with the family, and he’s pretty relaxed. (hip hop music) Typically, the rottweiler
is a little more chill, and is good to have around the house, and just hang out while the malinois, if you don’t work ’em like you should, which is every day and exercise his brain, he’s gonna be a pretty crazy
dog to have around the house. I would probably prefer,
If I were to choose one dog to live with and I took the
working aspect out of it, I would definitely choose a rottweiler, especially since I came
from the Cane Corse breed, the rottweiler is a lot more chill. Belgian malinois are typically they go, as far as height goals,
the males are around 24 to 26 inches, the females are like 22 to 24
inches us far as height goes. As far as weight goes, the
male’s are 64, 75 pounds, the female’s 55 to 66 pounds. Typically a rottweilers, the females are roughly 20 to 25 inches, the males 24, 27 inches for height, and as far as weight goes,
their female’s around 70, 75, 110 pounds, and male’s are
110 to as big as a 130 pounds. You know that’s what I mean
like Luca is a pretty small male compared to your breed standard. The malinois is a very agile dog, and definitely tends to use his speed to bring you down, and
definitely comes through, it helps the malinois for sure. The speed that it brings,
and the athleticism that it brings to the table. From my experience every single rottweiler that I’ve worked, they
definitely assume for protection at least as soon as they bite, they tend to pull down, and they want to bring the man down, instead of, some malinois will
tend to dig in in the bite. Bite force, I mean it’s
important for the work, everybody wants a hard biting dog,. Typically the bite force
for the Belgian malinois law is around 195 PSI. The rottweiler has a
bite force of 328 PSI, and obviously that’ll depend
on the size of the dog, and the intentions
behind the bite as well. So definitely the bite force, if the dog is bigger and he
definitely has bad intentions behind the bite, you’ll
feel it a lot more, and Belgian malinois or rottweiler, if a dog bites you, yeah,
PSI doesn’t really matter once you feal a good dog
biting, it’s all the same. With all that being said of a bite being a bite, I definitely have to put
on some extra equipment, when I’m working Luca just
because he bites so damn hard, and I end up all bruised
up after working him. And in my opinion of the
the Belgian malinois, and the rottweiler, and any working breed, I think needs a handler,
trainer that is very patient, and for different reasons the malinois, in my opinion, like Guapo, once he kicks in to drive, his body produces chemicals
that he can’t stop himself, and no matter how much I
correct them and lay into him, he can’t function the same
as to when he’s not in drive or in protection mode, so I have to be very patient and actually do the right
steps in teaching him and do the proper training
before getting to a place where he goes to the red
zone, and he can’t think. The rottweiler, you have
to be very patient because they’re very sensitive and sometimes can be handler sensitive or they could even redirect
and and try to bite you if they feel that you’re being unfair. Actually I witnessed a
rottweiler bite his handler this past weekend, and
the guy came at him, and was correcting him, dog
out of a little bit of fear, gets some forward aggression
and grabbed his arm, punctured his arm. So I definitely think
you’ve got to be smart in the way you correct each dog, especially a dog like the rottweiler, ’cause if that dog turns on you, boy, it’s not gonna be pretty. Something that I really like about Luca, and I’m not saying other
malinois don’t have it, but Luca naturally has
real aggression in there, and so when I take him places, I got to make sure that I watch him, and I have control of him
because he definitely, if he feels that somebody’s
being suspicious, he won’t think twice
to go after the person, while Guapo is a little
bit more of a thinker, will double check with me and
see what I want him to do, and that’s the difference
with the two dogs, and for me, I personally
would like the rottweiler more as a protection dog for
me than of my malinois. Typically the rottweiler
is a little more defensive than the malinois, which
is this very prey driven, so definitely I think
the rottweiler works best in close quarter. (hip hop music) It’s like the scenario
that we did with Kim was the dog was hanging out
with her while she’s reading, the bad guy comes in, and the dog reacts and
she sends him to go bite. Why I say that I like
’em more, the rottie, I think is a better dog for general home protection
is not just because they have more aggression and all that, but I think it’s just easier to handle, especially for first time
dog owners and all that. In my opinion, they’re
are a lot easier to handle than a Belgian malinois. The malinois would probably
do a lot better on a chase, or if the guy’s running away, or if he sees a fast movement
or that type of thing where he’ll react to it that’s
why the police departments, and security, they use
the Belgian malinois, because first of all they
have a lot more endurance, they’re very agile so they
can get into places that most rottweilers can’t get into, they got to send these
dogs over over fences, and under cars to get the suspect. I think that’s one of the big benefits of the Belgian malinois. Both Guapo and Luca are
being trained in sport, the sport of IPO, however we do step outside the sport box, and like when I was doing IPO, I also did a ton of hidden sleeve work, muscle work, suit work,
so I don’t just keep it strictly sports with my dog, I like to show ’em as
many pictures as I can with as many decoys as I
can while most sport people would tend to be like “Nah”, I wanna make sure that the decoy’s safe, the helper’s safe and
be, catching my dog man, I put ’em on anybody as
long as it’s safe obviously, I’ll drag ’em in if I have to by half, or I place the dog on the bite, but I’ve put him on all kinds of people, I don’t just, I typically
don’t like to stay in the box of the sport. The benefit of in my
opinion is that you make a little bit more of a serious dog, than just a sport dog, but with that being said since Luca does have a lot
more aggression in him, we definitely had to step
back at a certain point, and work a lot more prey work than the actual, all
the hidden sleeve stuff, and muzzle work just because it was getting a little out of hand. I think both the rottweiler
and the malinois, they’re amazing breeds. I really look forward
to keep working Guapo, and hopefully making though
the world team for IPO, and we’re gonna go for the
the Triple Crown they call it, which is the French Ring
three, and Mondio Ring, to be, he just turned three, so he’s only three years old, he’s got a lot of juice
and him to keep him going, and we’ll see how we
do as far as Icon goes. I’m gonna be doing IPO with him, and some French Ring work for the suit. (hip hop music) I’m very excited about
working with with Luca as well as the helper decoy. I think that Christian and
him have a very bright future, and I can tell you this much, the protection work is
gonna be on point for sure, and look out for this dog in the future, you don’t see too many rotties
like him, that’s for sure. (hip hop music)

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100 Responses

  1. Bob none says:

    Do you got any suggestions on how to start protection training ?

  2. JimmyDevere says:

    Question for experienced dog owners: Would a Rottweiler, Mal or German Shepherd/Malinois mix be a good fit for me? I have a fenced acre in a rural area that borders state land. We have two small children under 2 yrs old. I am home all day but I work online and am busy with that and the kids. However I usually go out once or twice a day to get the kids to play and as they grow older they will spend more time outdoors. We do have coyotes around but I haven't heard of problems from our neighbors and they all have dogs. I am looking for home protection, help protect my boys outside, and a family dog. They would need to live in dog house out doors, not sleep in my bed/house. I am moderately active with outdoor activities like camping/hiking but that is not everyday obviously, more like weekend warrior. I am a strong personality and am good with animals I've had. I am putting in a garden and will be adding chickens later so I will be outdoor a lot more daily but not to play frisbee etc. Can this or a Shepois be a good fit? If not any suggestions? Also, would having two dogs so that they could have companionship be a good thing or not recommended? I would invest in some basic dog training and would educate my self as well but would be constrained by budget. Thanks in advance for any advice.

  3. JasonPlaysYT says:

    Rottweilers Have Such a fit body and jaw they re muscular fast energetic And a crushing bite You could lose an arm if u get bit by a good biting rottweiler

  4. Nathan P says:

    Any vids with working rottweilers, pliz??

  5. junito1957 says:

    that rott at 10:52 had a face saying wtf is that ??? he didtnt even bark

  6. Éloïm Ville says:

    Rottweiler 👌👌👌

    Malinois 🥕 😁😁😁

  7. abbreviation of time says:

    Wow 2 dogs with their Tails and Ears. Crazy

  8. andy d says:

    Really strange,but one of my best friends had a rotty called Luca.Both of them are dead now.Life's a shit

  9. Nick Ferdinande says:

    Both of these breeds are absolutely beautiful but am I wrong saying that the owner needs just as much if not more training? That's how I was taught. I'm looking into these as (first a family dog) protection for my fiance and her children.

  10. Gail Greenberg says:

    I've had rotties for 23 years and have done French ring with them all…My first, Leader, was much like Luca, a smaller dog. We went up to French Ring2 together. He was the most fabulous dog. No one could have possibly gotten near me to hurt me. Since then I've had a few males and 2 females. The males got through the Brevet and worked on Ring 1. the father had to stop because he was sooooooooo chill, the son continued until he died suddenly of a heart attack at the age of 4. I still have a female, born here, who is over 12.
    I also have a GSD with enormous prey drive. I must say I really prefer rottweilers!

  11. Gail Greenberg says:

    I've had rotties for 23 years and have done French ring with them all…My first, Leader, was much like Luca, a smaller dog. We went up to French Ring2 together. He was the most fabulous dog. No one could have possibly gotten near me to hurt me. Since then I've had a few males and 2 females. The males got through the Brevet and worked on Ring 1. the father had to stop because he was sooooooooo chill, the son continued until he died suddenly of a heart attack at the age of 4. I still have a female, born here, who is over 12.
    I also have a GSD with enormous prey drive. I must say I really prefer rottweilers!

  12. Trex Masters says:

    I have a USMC 125 Lb Maligator, He would eat your Rotty and there would be nothing that could be done to save it. My Maligator has killed a man with an AK who was hiding 20 feet up a tree in less than 2 MIN. Malgators rule.. Nothing else matters.

  13. F. Mazz. says:

    Wow! Luca is gorgeous. Nice Malinois too

  14. Matthew Williams says:

    Ive never met a dumb big dog. They are just stubborn as hell. I have two half akita and half pit mixes and they are stubborn as fuck.

  15. Doesn't Matter says:

    75 lbs rottweiler is like AK much more than pitbull

  16. Anya Vlad says:

    Rottie is PERFECT!!!

  17. Candice Williams says:

    Malinoise a way better complete dog

  18. captain wilson says:

    That malinois is beautiful 😍

  19. Chad White says:

    Very good video

  20. eik lenf says:

    Im not here for the Rottweilers

  21. Tombstone says:

    Awesome dogs !!

  22. Wealth Coach Kahnju Ecleo says:

    Very informative. Thank you! 😁

  23. Ruemann says:

    Bite Force PSI would matter when 328 PSi from Rotties crushes the bones 🙂
    I did not realize the Rottie could be swift & agile due to its heavy bones …with this type of agility, I think it would fit into Search & Rescue roles….
    Is a Rotties sense of smell, trailing & trackng capabilities comparable with a Gsd/Malinois ?
    Am thinking of either a Rottie/Gsd for S&R

  24. King Kong says:

    "He was in a situation where the family couldn't keep him anymore" is the most gentlemanly way to say it

  25. John Petzold says:

    I love both breeds, but in truth we both know what this is, Apple's and Oranges both breeds have great skill sets BUT it is unfair to compare them, as they are very different dogs. Each with their own unique strengths. Thank you.

  26. Fisherman, Boos says:

    Miss my Rottweiler

  27. Francisco Espírito-Santo says:

    That's too small and thin for a Rottweiler.

  28. Tre Smith says:

    Lucca is a beast

  29. Zircons Qwe says:

    Guapo mean handsome in Philippines. That malinois is gwapo

  30. Hector Martinez says:

    that is a perfect rottweiler!!

  31. MrCincopete says:

    Nice dogs the man knows his dogs 👍

  32. Hg Hg says:

    This Rotty in the video is what Rottweiler as a breed
    is. What I've seen in US passing for Rottweiler is some dogs with definitely
    blood from some more massive Mastiff breeds,
    with the resulting less agility and character unpredictability. Those dogs are sometimes called " American" line
    Rottweilers as such breed
    is even excist. The " real"
    Rottweilers are cattle herding breed, very agil for his size, just like the dogy
    in this video, and nothing
    like the lumbering extra large dogs that are passing for Rotty in the most cases in US. Telling
    sign for real Rottweiler
    besides the size and the overall way of the dogs
    movements is the head .
    Well defined stop between
    the forehead and the muzzle , just like the dog
    in the video is very good sign of true Rotty.

  33. Marc Langevin says:

    Love lucha. he is just a bit smaller than a Rottie back in the early 90's. Boomer went about 195 lbs in ripped shape . I would dearly love to have another Rottie that size . Do you breeding Rotties or just train them ?

  34. Marc R says:

    i got a 75 pound male rottie aswell, shorter but stockier, definitely not as athletic as luca

  35. dareal kennels says:

    I dont trust rotts for nothing seem like every owner i know dont fully trust them

  36. Stefano Dawg says:

    Rottie owner and trainer since 1985. These people being bitten by their own Rottie haven't made themselves the pack leader. ALL alpha males give at least one try at taking over, usually a nasty growl when you tell them to get down.. one good punch in the snoot and DOWN and the matter is settled. It's the only time I will strike a dog like that. Fail to dominate an alpha and he'll follow his instinct to take over. This is why Most people have no business with one. The girls are sweethearts by comparison

  37. Christian Brown says:

    They dont really just shut down, you have to just tell them like it is you dont do the job you dont stay here, they always work then not cruel just true they just go like a pit bull yet are even larger so they are very much fighting in a way so you just have to get them going via necessity a little more or spend time with.

  38. Bhumika Bhelley says:

    I just cant choose who is the best couz I have both these dog n they r special in their own ways

  39. monu2619993 says:

    According to KCI (The Kennel Club of India), the breed standard of a Rotweiler should be 41-50 Kgs which comes out as equivalent to 90-110 pounds. Also, the height should be 58-69 cms which is equal to 22.8 to 27.2 inches.

  40. jazzdad24 says:

    On the Rottweiler's tail? Long or cut?
    All the Rottweiler's I've had have had their tails snipped. And they were all German. Looks like the nowadays people have gone with the uncut tail.

  41. Dead Pixels954 says:

    I hope my puppy Rott looks like this when he grows up. I have a video of him on my channel

  42. Dj Smeby says:

    Are you available to help my 10 month black Belgian Malinois?

  43. David Aguilar says:

    What kennel did Luca come from? Where can I find rotti like him?

  44. Brax fan says:

    Lovely Rottweiler 💖 best dogs. So intelligent + obedient. Malinois have some bite power. But obviously, Rottweiler strongest.They should bite every cruel owner

  45. User Not known says:

    whoever says thats what a Rott should look like has NO IDEA!
    It is a good looking Dog no Question! But a Rottweiler as a Male should have at least 110 with a height of 25 inch! My 8Months old Female has more weight (70pounds) than this Rotti! Probably she is also taller 21 inch! By the Way i come from Austria/Germany where the real Rotts come from so don't talk shit

  46. Nigel Bishop says:

    They should train the dog to go for the right arm for obvious reasons. Then have the agitator beat the dog with the left.

  47. Rupakk53 says:

    Rottweiler awesome dog

  48. Nico Machiavelli says:

    Luca fan club

  49. Joe Lloyd says:

    I love Rottweilers .

  50. success erfolg says:

    A tiny Rottweiler … . I can' t take this serious, because it's not the standard. Actually he moves great, but this isn't a normal Rottweiler ! :-/

  51. PawVlogs says:

    2 similar but different breeds. Both wonderful dogs.

  52. AKELA THE ROTTYGATOR says:

    Ive got a rotty x malinois shes lovely only 5 months but will be doig protection work in the future shes on my channel

  53. Sergiu Salcău says:

    what a gorgeous rottie. Mals are my favourite dogs.

  54. Sergiu Salcău says:

    but wouldn't Icon make a good family dog ?

  55. Flying Puma says:

    Malinois is better.
    This Rottweiler is too small.

  56. Marten Dekker says:

    The rottweilers were originally Roman war dogs. Left behind in Germany, in a town with red ( rot ) roofs…

  57. B Craftin says:

    Came here because of John Wick! 🤷‍♂️

  58. norskyg says:

    Having trained both breeds for years I personally would go Rotty for personal defense home use but will go mal 100% for law enforcement applications. Rotties have a tendency to blow their cruciate ligaments. Like you said mals need to be worked every day where rotties can chill.

  59. blackmamba482 says:

    That’s a perfect Rottweiler specimen

  60. Michael Batts says:

    A Rottie and a Mal chase a crook. Criminal goes up a tree.
    Rottie: Oh damn, Mal! SOB just went up a tree!
    Mal: Hold on a sec! Wait here. Let me go get this b***h!
    *launches up tree, snatches bad guy and drops him to ground

    Mal to Bad Guy: What's good, fool?!
    Rottie: Yeah, fool! What's good?!

    Ambulance takes criminal to emergency room

  61. Risky Training says:

    Hi.. im wondering to pick Rottweiler for my first time dog. Im little confuse if rottie have stubbornness, how i can teach him to chill / calm if i have visitor ?

  62. Chelsea Canham says:

    When the Malinois heels and walks with the owner he flails his arms and shoulders like Connor Mcgregor.

  63. Ryan B says:

    Kangal, and Rott. There is no other breed on earth with the stopping power of either of them.

  64. Joshua May says:

    I have rott but at the same time I love Dobermans as well they both have attributes that I like rotties for the size and natural sense to guard dobies because of there drive and energy level and I like there coat they don’t shed to much

  65. Trucker Baty says:

    That Belgian malinois looks like it stares right thru your soul lol

  66. Wilmer Bovendeert says:

    Wauw thnxs for the much info!!!!!!

  67. J G says:

    That Rott is a terminator

  68. J says:

    I will never be tired of watching dog training video.

  69. Big Dawg says:

    You making me susp susp susp, it’s suspicious,you making me think a lot smart guy, but Rottweilers are beautiful

  70. Becky Watt says:

    But, I have never seen a Rottie climb a tree and drop down on the bad guy.

  71. Jeffrey Ngo says:

    Boring

  72. Adil Bougma says:

    Rottweiler for life 😍😍

  73. Nilesh Singh says:

    luca may be small ,but the proportions r still very good ,e.g the head size to body and still muscly, but Belgian malanoise is s.a.s type super army dogs in general

  74. Tomas OG says:

    2 beautiful dogs.

  75. Conald Deronne says:

    Actually love a Lot of the German breeds = Rottweiler, Dobermann, Boxer, German Shepard, great guard and family dogs😊

  76. Full-time Vegan in Ohio says:

    Go Rotties!!!

  77. Adam Lopez says:

    that rottweiler is the perfect dog!

  78. B K says:

    I have a female malinois who is 65 pounds. I don’t think that a Rottweiler is stronger or has more agility in my opinion.

  79. Mike says:

    What breeder is the rott from?

  80. C. Fecteau says:

    Rollo, my 3yo male Rottweiler, comes everywhere with me… he's annoying, but we're two peas in a pod 🙄

  81. Manuel T says:

    Great video! Q: what do you feed them? Dry food or raw food?

  82. Unknown PhNtom says:

    The Rottweiler sounds like me ngl 😂

  83. Nicholas Margagliano says:

    Rottweilers are bears. They can totally break u into pieces, but if they’re left alone they just want to eat and sleep 😂

  84. After Freedom Podcast says:

    Awesome vid guys

  85. jason kay says:

    love that rottweiler

  86. leo nardo says:

    jesus this is the only rottie i ve ever seen which is so muscular and damn well shaped

  87. Zachary Shyaka says:

    Beautiful dog but that is not a pure bred rott

  88. SGT ROCK says:

    Rottweiler catches Belgian
    Game Ovet

  89. SGT ROCK says:

    Rotts look funny with tails
    Dock at birth

  90. Miss Arabia says:

    I feel like these protection scenarios need to be done in a way which is more realistic to a real life emergency. For example the so called bad guy always just walks through the front door which is unlocked
    Now some people do leave their doors unlocked so of course that could happen however i think a more realist scenario would be the bad guy breaking in through a window or perhaps grabbing a child or woman when they are walking to try and kidnap them.. I just wonder if the dog is trained to attack whenever somebody walks through an unlocked door that seems dangerous what if a welcomed guest walks through the door and your dog goes into attack mode? Also i am just wondering with a dog as naturally protective and ready to fight such as the rottweiller if you are being attacked wouldn't the dog intervene based upon his own instincts- without the need of being trained to do so?

  91. tommy stroeckx says:

    Lean as a dobermann , nice!

  92. Michael Richard Jnr says:

    When he talks about Rott being more aggressive but the Belgian having more prey drive, what does that mean?

  93. Sincitygardens says:

    I'm glad you made this video cause i wasn't sure which one to get a rott or a Mal I'm looking for a guard dog/ family dog , something I can take hiking off leash and hve complete control over. High energy. I'm sold thanks for all the information I'm getting a rott !! Now I just have to find a breeder and a trainer

  94. TheProAmateur says:

    I think that size in that Rotti is perfect for what you’re doing.
    Home defense rotti you want big so they can pull down anyone with their weight. But that Luka is beautiful and perfect size!

  95. Azz Seu says:

    My rottie looks the same, was disappointed because he’s not huge.. he’s medium and muscly and explosive

  96. davey Konijnenberg says:

    Belgium Malinoise Allways Rottweilers dont have the speed it takes to takedown someone armed

  97. F. Mazz. says:

    Beautiful Rottweiler [Luca]! Lean and muscled, don't see too many built like that. Very, very nice looking dog – I luvs me Rotties!

  98. F. Mazz. says:

    Props to Oscar Mora, man knows his stuff. However, I was surprised to hear him say that the Rottweiler is handler sensitive and can re-direct a bite if it's not treated fairly. Usually the Rottie will rarely ever do that. The Mali on the other hand are KNOWN for biting their handlers when their in serious work mode or in the "red zone." Hmm interesting.

  99. butkusrules08 says:

    My brother has a Belgian and I have my 3rd Rottweiler. This video is pretty accurate.

  100. Preston Archibald says:

    BEAUTIFUL ROT

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